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I'm always thrown for a loop when I'm reminded of the fact that there's a large portion of the Supernatural fanbase who 1) doesn't know what slash fiction is (be it Sam/Dean or J2 or any other pairing) or 2) find it revolting.

I was reminded tonight by a comment thread on a photo posted by a Supernatural Facebook group that I follow (that has annoyed me in the past because the maintainers throw so many of their personal opinions and details out there) where a piece of fan-art was featured that could have been slashy. Beyond the fact that they didn't even bother to link to the original artist's page/DA account, there was a discussion where someone brought up the fact that the picture was slightly sexual. One of the mods explained that it could be slashy, whereas the other said: "Slash is only good to some people and it's something we've never promoted or let people post on this page. Personally, I hate it." Subsequent comments predictably contained users' disgust with the idea, especially when it came to Wincest (because, you know, that's obviously the only slash pairing possible on SPN, and ALL SLASH must be condemned because it's probably incest. JEEZ.)

[But of course, they'll promote (and create entire galleries for) the mods' own fic and banners.]

I guess it's good to be reminded that in this corner of fandom (possibly the best corner!), we're not judged by one another so harshly, and our love for SPN and the actors is just as genuine as anyone else's. And because we have something linking us together that goes beyond superficial enjoyment of a television show, we're probably one of the strongest corners, too.

So basically, THANKS FOR BEING AWESOME, Y'ALL. And YAY slashy boysex (and girl sex!) \o/

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shalom: (Default)
[personal profile] shalom wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 04:09 am (UTC)
Yay to all that!

(And on a related note, my Teenage Fangirl has been gobbling up SPN on our new Netflix account and laughing her butt off about it on fb and the phone with me. She thinks the ongoing joke that everyone thinks they're lovers is fantastic, but I've never said the "slash" word.) LOL
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:58 pm (UTC)
Haha you've been there, done that :P. I'm glad she's enjoying the show!
[identity profile] weimar27.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 04:40 am (UTC)
Yeah. I ran into that when there was the tv.com list of craziest fans. One of the spn fan sites I was following had a pretty negative view of Wincest. I don't think i was yet a wincest fan at the time. But I had definately moved on to slash. The author seemed kinda taken aback when I actually defended fanfic.

But yes fandom is an awesome place.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:11 pm (UTC)
I can definitely understand having a negative view on incest pairings, but those are only a small fraction of all the slash pairings out there! It's insane to dismiss such an amazing group and, as I pointed out to the mods, all the amazing fan work creators coming out of themslash fandom!

Go us!
[identity profile] weimar27.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:23 pm (UTC)
I get not liking incest pairings, but it was the tone of the comments. That we're bad for liking it.

Anywho, long live slash!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:31 pm (UTC)
Yeah, and FB had so many negative comments on slash alone, that those were tough to read :( not to mention what they thought about Wincest. C'est la vie, I suppose! We've got enough awesome people anyway :)
[identity profile] milen748.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 06:34 am (UTC)
puh-lease this corner is FANTASTIC lol. some people are just too sensitive don't mind them
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:12 pm (UTC)
LOL we so are! Too bad for the rest though, they're missing out on some amazing stuff!
[identity profile] write-in-red.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 07:03 am (UTC)
Ditto!

:)

We're really lucky to be able to share and read to our heart's content here.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:40 pm (UTC)
Definitely! And while we have our own wanks here, we don't have to be ashamed of what we enjoy :)
[identity profile] onehotmama199.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 07:25 am (UTC)
Hey, I'm just glad I found fellow pervs! At least that's what I was told you all were the ONE time I mentioned it to anyone. Seriously, you'd think we were sacrificing babies or something.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:41 pm (UTC)
No babies, kittens, bunnies, or any other small, helpless creatures were harmed by our fanficcing! We're cruelty free :)
[identity profile] akintay.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 10:07 am (UTC)
I always forget that we aren't the fandom but just a part of it - but I'm kinda glad, because as you said, our little corner of fandom is awesome! There are exceptions and there's tons of wank, but I wouldn't want to be anywhere else because this fandom truly is the best. Not just because we have awesomely talented people and people are so open-minded, but because we really are our own little community - people support each other and help each other, and there's so much love here. As you said, it goes beyond just enjoying the show and I'm sp happy to be a part of it ♥
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:10 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't want to be anywhere else, either, no matter how harshly outsiders may judge us! ♥ We're so much stronger and produce so many amazing things.
[identity profile] cassiopeia7.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 10:09 am (UTC)
ALL SLASH must be condemned because it's probably incest

How is it possible that this quote has both depressed me and made me laugh like a loon?
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
It's so absurd and ridiculous at the same time as it being such an awful misgeneralization! I know what you mean...
[identity profile] angelicfoodcake.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 10:47 am (UTC)
And thank you for being awesome, too! This corner is the best!

But seriously, I had some strange run-ins with other fans. There's someone on deviantart who loves to preach to Wincesters/J2-fans how morally wrong they are.... Not to mention the even stranger comment I've gotten on a German page begging me to think about my life and my choices (which I did in length already ;)) and linking incest to paedophilia o.O. After a while, it just gets ridiculous.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
\o/

People are ridiculous. Some of those people are probably the ones who think it's okay to invade celebrities' lives or raid the FB pages of relatives for pictures. o_O Thinking about my "life and my choices" hasn't gotten me any further than realizing I love what I write and I love what my friends write and draw. If we're "evil", then we're AMAZING at the same time :P
[identity profile] wendy.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 12:27 pm (UTC)
♥!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:12 pm (UTC)
\o/
[identity profile] gypsy-atavari.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:19 pm (UTC)
I think I can count on one hand the people in my life who know that I read fanfic. Of those who do know, one knows that I've read Wincest and slash, and that I have been pleasantly surprised with the quality of the writing in this fandom. We even got into a whole discussion about what makes a good fanfic etc. I think I felt comfortable sort of coming out to her in a way because she was in Buffy fandom once upon a time.

I guess being that Supernatural is my first fandom I am very aware that there's actually a bunch of people out there who are in fandom in varying ways - or even not at all. The judgement still surprises me though because as I mentioned to that friend - sure in many ways it's hot (goodness is it ever!), but it's always the story that gets me most and I can't deny the multitude of talented folks in this corner producing these stellar stories.

Luckily I think I am just in this corner of fandom where we're all a little bit more accepting of each other's quirks so I hardly run into the truly offensive stereotyping and comments.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:23 pm (UTC)
I've actually told a few of the guys I've dated, and it went over better than I thought. The most recent actually brought up Lex/Clark from Smallville as an example (he liked to read all things meta), and he was fine with me writing J2 (never brought up the Wincest, heh). Another guy thought it meant I wanted to see him have sex with a guy, so just, NO. Funny though, it's easier for me to bring this up to guys than it is with my RL girl friends. I wonder what that says...huh.

It is crazy to think that we're just a part of the SPN fandom, and people ARE involved (or mostly uninvolved) in so many different ways (some of which I probably wouldn't approve of, like celebrity stalking). But I'm so glad I'm in *this* corner, you have no idea :P
[identity profile] gypsy-atavari.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 19th, 2012 11:31 am (UTC)
*clings to you* glad we're in the same corner. :-)
[identity profile] cherry916.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
If you've only ever really participated in Fandom on livejournal it could be quite a shock going on other websites. Even deviantart, I remember multiple posts going around about anti-wincest and how sick it is. So I made one called pro-wincest because I felt victimized that I was called disgusting for something I personally enjoy.

Tumblr could be the aboslute worst though, I stopped going on there for all the pointless ship wars and how the biggest ploy in the ship wars is twisting how the characters or actors think all wincesters are sick and disgusting. You're right about Livejournal being the main spot where no one is judged for what they like because 9 times out of 10 someone likes the same thing you do. There's no wars or moral sides people stand on. It's what I love about livejournal the most.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:20 pm (UTC)
It is a bit of a shock, especially when the mods don't even bother to get the definition of slash correct (they're now saying it's *any* explicit fanfiction of any pairing - which, HAH. So wrong...), but I know not every corner of fandom is as blessed as we are. It makes it hard whenever there's wank within our borders though, because don't we take enough crap from outsiders already?

Thank goodness I've never bothered with Tumblr!
[identity profile] slothy-girl.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 07:55 pm (UTC)
Aw thanks to you too for being fucking awesome!!!!! *hugs* And whoo slashy sex! hahahahaha :D
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
Hah, thanks for the support! ♥ We slashers will always stick together :P
[identity profile] samena.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 16th, 2012 08:24 pm (UTC)
I saw that on FB as well and it really annoyed me that the mods were so subjective and narrowminded about slash. OK, to each their own, but that goes for the slashers, too. Anyway, yes, YAY for our wonderful little corner of the fandom!!

Edited 2012-04-16 08:25 pm (UTC)
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 18th, 2012 08:14 pm (UTC)
Oh you saw it, too! It was crazy, but I had to respond...and then of course the other mod was, like, "well, slash COULD mean all explicit fic," which is so wrong on so many different levels it makes my head spin.

And absolutely, YAY for us! ♥
ext_16555: (sam+dean ♥ butch & sundance)
[identity profile] santacarlagypsy.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 27th, 2012 11:48 am (UTC)
Sorry for the late comment, but I'm just getting caught up on stuff around here.

But I just wanted to drop in and say YES... I agree 100% with this post. What you say about this corner of fandom is one of the reasons I love it here so much. So thank you for the reminder. ♥
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Apr. 28th, 2012 03:07 pm (UTC)
Haha, you're welcome :) We all need to be reminded how good we have it over here, from the AMAZING amounts of fic and art we're treated to, and the respect we give each other. ♥

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