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Just a few notes concerning reactions from this post about the events of the Asylum Con.

We all know there are some crazy fans out there, a lot of whom aren't involved in the LJ part of fandom, and this kind of behavior [what was reported in the post, not the post itself!] gets our hackles up and sets our eyes a'rollin.

Anyway, I agree with what was stated there for the most part - fans have done some reprehensible things out of a sense of entitlement, but in truth is it such a small part of the fandom. I'm glad that the post pointed out a few things from the Con that have been misreported and such, but some of the comments started to bite. Saying something like this [and there were many other similar, sweeping generalizations]: "times like these make me very ashamed to be a part of the fandom sadly" get me to thinking...

I am not, nor will I ever be, ashamed to be a part of this fandom. I'm kind of in awe, everyday, that I'm allowed to be a part of it, having never really found my footing in a fandom before. Seriously, I don't know what I'll do when it's gone. The things people write, the creations they make, and the meta they research, is amazing. Such a talented group of people all clustered around a central interest. The behavioral psychologist in me has a lot of crazy awesome things to say about that fact. But I'll never be ashamed. Yeah, I might go red in the face and lose my ability to speak should Jared or Jensen ever come up to me and say "Hey! You wrote porn about us!", but I'm not really ashamed.

And I would never ever allow the actions of a minority to force me out of a fandom I love. Only if Jared, Jensen, or Eric Kripke came up to me and said "Stop what you're doing!" would I lay down my keyboard pen. Besides, if all the sane people left fandom, it would be stuck with the certifiably crazy and the show would get canceled faster than Viva Laughlin.

It's really unfortunate that the most visible side of fandom happens to be the batshit side. I'm not talking about active as in fanworks, but rather about conventions, other forums and boards, and generally being a nuisance on the interwebs [Fandom!Secrets, anyone?]. Cool!Fandom is generally too polite and concerned with the rest of Cool!Fandom's happenings and writings.

The ones who really come out of the woodwork are residents of Batshit!Fandom, and they're the ones giving us all a bad rep. All the terrible con reports that make us cringe [not that everyone who attends a con is crazy - some of you I'm jealous of!], the ridiculous fandom!secrets postings, the women who take 'tin hatting' to a level where they ought to be committed [because you know there's a difference between fun!tinhatting and restraining order!tinhatting], and the impression that SPN fangirls are the worst of the lot. I'm pretty sure all of you can name some of the worst people in fandom you know of. Our list wouldn't be all that big compared to the writers and women who we think are super delicious, but a lot of names would come up more than once. The Batshit!fandom side many be smaller, but it is so visible and so persistent.

Conventions are such a strange environment. They're such great opportunities for the masses to meet and talk with people they admire, but so often they turn into stalker central. [Again, not accusing every con-attendee of being this way, but you have to admit, the bad stories are the ones that travel the furthest, no?] Just like stalking in real life, someone sees an actor on television and feels that connection which leads to thought of entitlement even though it's not quite realized yet. Week after week you see this actor on your screen and he speaks to you, you know him and you begin to feel a pull over where his story should go, how he should behave, who he should date or sleep with. And it absolutely bleeds over from fiction to reality. Most of the time, the attitudes celebrities put on in public is another kind of act, and some fans begin to connect to those personalities as well.

Maybe not so bad or destructive when kept to yourself, but conventions are a chance for those like-minded people get together. Suddenly, in an place where others share your sense of responsibility or entitlement, your behavior is encouraged and accepted while the rest of the fans sit and shake their heads in embarrassment.

Yeah, the Supernatural fandom appears to have more than its share of crazy people. And, I'll admit, WAY more than its share of weak-minded people who worship at the alters of the craziest, who get so absorbed by their opinions and deeds before getting into the rest of the fandom. Those kinds of people are the ones applauding the despicable behavior, the awkward questions, and adding weight to the sense of entitlement some of the Big Names of the Batshit!fandom feel. Maybe they're the bigger problem, I don't know, but there's something wrong with all of them. After all, with enough encouragement, the crazy women doing such horrible things in the name of fandom and entitlement have no idea that what they're doing is wrong on so many different levels.

I don't really see a solution. I wish we could police our own fandom, but then it wouldn't be a fandom anymore. Cool!fandom is content to play and talk amongst ourselves while the Batshit!fandom gets worse. Because we all know it will. The conventions have started to make us all nervous, everyone just waiting for the repercussions, but I wish whatever happened at them didn't make people start shouting about how they "hate" fandom, how they're "disgusted" by it. I think saying things like that only makes the situation worse. It makes us question our own involvement, or actions, and in the worst cases, our friends, when we're the ones who have done nothing wrong.

Without this fandom, where would we be?

But I will close with this. Jared Padalecki and Jensen Ackles are smart guys. I truly believe that they know conventions can attract both the best kind of fan, and the worst kind. It sucks that the behavior of a few can leave such a sour taste, but I think they know that the true fans are out here, supporting them, however silent we may sometimes be.

Jesus, I can't believe I wrote all that. Forgive me, I'm usually fairly shy when it comes to fandom issues.

And the irony of using a Con-icon. Heh.

Wow, you read all that? Want a cookie? Now I'm off to finish my Porn Friday entry! ♥

Comments

[identity profile] alasse.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 10:17 pm (UTC)
Um. Hon? I LOVE YOU. I kept going "Yes, yes, YESSSSSS." I kind of wanted to write a post, but not, you know? on the con/fandom wank situation. Would you mind if I linked to this in my lj? Because YES. This is so smart, so well put.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 4th, 2009 10:23 pm (UTC)
You're so fast!

And I totally don't mind if you link to it - I almost made it private, but then figured that my friends wouldn't be my friends if I couldn't share how I felt. ♥

And THANK YOU, of course.
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[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:16 am (UTC)
Re: some good points there
Thanks...I can't really help it when my brain gets think-ey on me!
[identity profile] flawedamythyst.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 12:10 am (UTC)
I agree with every word of this! Thank you for saying it so clearly for me.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:18 am (UTC)
You're welcome - I'm glad it was clear for someone other than myself!
[identity profile] jumpuphigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:08 am (UTC)
I have mixed feeling about the post you linked. Your post - awesome. The more I read the comments on the linked post, the more uncomfortable I felt. Even the people who were claiming sanity made me feel icky. I think I will continue to hide in my little corner coming out just to talk to the fan friends I have in RL and the few from LJ that I've made.
Sheesh people. If the Js said they weren't going to do any more cons due to this behaviour, then I would probably cheer. I've never gone to a con because being a [relatively] sane fan is weird for me. I definitely wouldn't want to be associated with the lunies.
[identity profile] jumpuphigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:11 am (UTC)
PS Porn Friday - WIN!!!!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
And I'm scribbling even as we speak! I hope hope hope I can get it finished sometime tomorrow.
[identity profile] jumpuphigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:08 am (UTC)
Porn 'it's Friday somewhere' works too.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:14 am (UTC)
...Or Porn 'Eventually It'll Be Friday Again'?
[identity profile] jumpuphigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:18 am (UTC)
Porn Today!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
I guess - I've never really claimed sanity. Fandom is a whirlwind of crazy for me - mostly shiny happy good crazy, but crazy nonetheless. Really the some of the comments almost made me sad, the fact that others could think poorly of their own fandom in general instead of specific acts. I know the comments all weren't like that, probably not posted with that intention either, but that's the feeling that made me write this.

I hope any future cons are managed better and free of such inexplicable behavior! Cons have started to take on a slight negative connotation in the minds of some fans, and I admit I haven't helped that reputation, but that's unfortunate. They should be awesome occasions, not events that leave most of fandom biting their nails, just waiting for the next round o'crazy.
[identity profile] jumpuphigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
I haven't even watched the vids from Asylum cause the first bit I saw made me uncomfortable and when I heard that Jensen was booed for not performing Eye, I was disgusted.
I do claim sanity...I also claim weird. I like weird. Weird makes me happy.
[identity profile] matalinolukaret.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
*snaps* If I lived near you I'd give you alcohol for some damn good comments. :D

PS. PORN FRIDAY FTW. \0/
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:28 am (UTC)
Haha snapping reminds me of my sorority chapter meetings ;) *SNAP SNAP* And mmmmm, alcohol's a good reward, thanks!

PS. PORN FRIDAY FTW.

I'm tryyyyyyyyyyyying! If not, [livejournal.com profile] jumpuphigh and I decided it would be Porn "It's Friday IN MY HEAD" Day.
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[identity profile] slash-iirima.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:53 am (UTC)
Gotta say, the post you linked kindof brought me down, as does generally hearing about the batshitcrazies of the fandom, because I do worry about people on the sane side of the fandom bailing as a result of it, or as a result of outsider's attitudes towards the fandom. But this post definately bucked things up again, because, well, basically, I agree with the whole lot of it, especially "I am not, nor will I ever be, ashamed to be a part of this fandom." I love this side of fandom so dammed much, I don't want to see it change or be ashamed of itself ever. =)
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, the original post had me upset too, which I think is an unfortunate side effect of conventions. We hear about these ridiculous people and it brings us down, which is the last thing we should be doing. It's almost like needing to double our efforts, on the Cool!fandom side, to make sure it stays awesome, and that if ever an actor went looking, *that* is what he'll find, not the crazy side. If we allow the bad parts to dictate how we act and feel about fandom, that's terrible!
[identity profile] one-2-3-4.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 03:00 am (UTC)
*applauds* Hit it on the head!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
*blushes* Thank you! I'm glad my silly little disjointed thoughts struck a cord with some people...
[identity profile] annella.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 06:32 am (UTC)
SO WELL SAID. *applause*
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:46 pm (UTC)
Thank you! I'm glad I decided to type it out and post it, because now *I* feel better, and if others do too, that's a bonus ;)
[identity profile] joans23.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 07:40 am (UTC)
I want cookies and Porn Friday and for you to never stop being awesome.

<3
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 01:42 pm (UTC)
*hands over some oatmeal white chocolate cookies*

I *really* want this Porn Friday to happen, so I may or may not be writing it right now at work ;)

I WILL ALWAYS BE AWESOME. So will you! ♥
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[identity profile] macbyrne.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 09:53 am (UTC)
This post makes me feel a lot better about my own fandom!issues; sometimes I wonder which side of the crazy coin I'd wind up on, then I read about the things that happened at Asylum (irony? I think not!) and I realize not only am I not crazy, but that none of my friends are either, and that makes me feel SO much better! Friending you, if you don't mind. Your rationality is a breath of fresh air in a stale room, and I need to open a window!
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 5th, 2009 02:30 pm (UTC)
I'm glad it made you feel a little better - writing it did the same thing for me. I highly doubt that anyone I place on the truly crazy side of the trenches would find their way to this post ;) so I think you're safe! Just can't let conventions drag us down, since only a small part of fandom gets to go, and the number of amazing people far outweighs the crazy people. We surround ourselves with awesome people and create our own little corners of fandom, and if we all stay positive in the wake of stuff like this...good things happen!

I can't promise to be rational ALL the time, and I certainly I don't mind being friended! ♥
[identity profile] bonspiel.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
I've been wondering about the ethics of being in the fandom these last few days, after I read about some of the craziness - I mean, are we, the people who can make the psychological distinctions between the actors, the characters they play, and their RPF dopplegangers, somehow encouraging the behavior of those who are incapable of making those distinctions by doing the things we do? Or should we continue to provide good role models by being enthusiastic and fannish but knowing where the line of appropriate behavior is? I dunno.

I certainly hope you're right about Jared and Jensen understanding that these people are outliers; unfortunately it does seem to be one of the side-effects of wanting to be an actor, these days, which is too bad.
[identity profile] kelleigh.livejournal.com wrote:
Jun. 6th, 2009 11:43 pm (UTC)
It seems like for every convention that's held, the behavior gets worse and worse. A product of the show going on for so long and fans getting more and more obsessed. I think, in fandom, there are groups who are more interested in the fanworks and those more interested in the actors. Counting myself in the first group, I like reading details of the boys' lives when I see them, but I don't actively search out anything beyond the scope of a project. I only know the bare minimum about Jared and Jensen. I'm more likely to read a new fic than a new interview and I don't have a tin hat. I think we have to remain in the fandom as some sort of balance, because if we pull away, all that's left are the ones who can't separate the boys from their characters or their fictional personas. We'll never be the ones applauding or encouraging that behavior and if we're not around to say "Hey! Not cool!"...well, I can only imagine how bad things might get. Plus, when it comes down to the nitty gritty, a lot of us are in the fandom for each other rather than Jared and Jensen, even though they're our inspiration.

And I do think Jared and Jensen know that they're not seeing the full picture of fandom from conventions. As long as there's been bands, genre shows, models, writers, actors, etc., there have always been crazy fans to go along with it. Girls who'll do anything to get backstage at concerts, sleeping with musicians, dressing up in costumes for conventions, collecting memorabilia...there's no end to what people will do when they love something, but I think there has to be a balance, even in a slash fandom. And you're right - nowadays I think actors or anyone famous knows that crazy comes with the territory.

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